Sure. NO,no, sorry I wouldn't be talking to anyone after that! The M-60 and the M240 shoot exactly the same round. travismarkz_21. 12 comments. Maybe with blanks but like I said earlier only twice, even in Iraq. The model you posted above is the 240C and is used on Bradleys, LAVs and M1 Abrams as pictured. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. I barely used any, and when I did it was in strategic locations, (in the bolt rail and feed lips). Enlisted: 2012-07-27. Moreso thanks for your service. You guys are better and tougher men than I - seriously, hats off to you. Reliability is better. Adopted by many of our allies. M60 or M249? I'd like to run one on a Crow system and see how it does. I know a little about the 240B, like it has a higher ROF than the M-60 did, which probably isn't a bad thing. … Does anyone have a suggestion? Read this if you are unfamiliar. and as for the M2 and accuracy... when you can rip a truck apart at 1700 meters, I'd say it's pretty accurate. Sad to see all the hate on the saw. Which one is better? But getting an afternoon with an E4 changed my impression of the weapon system, partially because it was lighter and the bipod was in a better location, but mostly because it was fairly new and solid. The canopy in use is 370 sq ft. We're currently transitioning from the MC-4 to the RA-1 system and the new RA-1 flies and handles more All Up Weight than the MC-4 so the performance and landings are a lot better. You have it confused with the M249. The M240 and M60 equipped units will have more effective long-range fire and have better capability against vehicles. Not sure about the HK21. Because I know way back when, the BAR was actually used in the National Trophy Infantry Team Match, do they still have matches where a MG is part of the team? All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. The M-60 was a good gun. RE: M240 Vs M249 #16464887 The tripod and T&E is the same used in WWII with the M1919A4. Whatever you want to talk about because I feel my questions will be just dumb. Right on, I used to jump at Orange years ago when I was stationed in Va. Great place to jump and great group of people. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Lima version has lightened it up a bit, but it is still a big old bitch. Said like it's a cakewalk. I know the Infantry Team Match now is all rifles but figured they might still have some that use MGs. save. The M249 is manufactured in the United States by the local … In the 1980s the Army began replacing the M60 with the 5.56 mm M249 Squad Automatic Weapon and, soon afterward, the M240 7.62 mm machine gun. The M249 and M60-equipped units will have roughly the same mobility and be better able to fire on the move. The technical specifications on the M60 called for a 60,000 round life, but the designers had targeted 100,000 rounds. I guess YMMV. MTOE's are a little different depending on units, and manning dictate wether you have a AB or not. So it's a big heavy 308 that doesn't jump around when you shoot it. I remember humping a worn out M60 as an PV2; jumping it was even worse. m249 (fastest LMG rpm, fairly medium recoil, 25/18.4 damage model) pkp/m60/m240b (low fire rates, high max/min damage models (34/22, high recoils, bad accuracy spreads (much like the other LMG,s) overall, M60 is a true beast http://www.fnmfg.com/products/m240fam/ M240 are newer, and most are in better shape. I only have experience using the M-60, its an highly accurate and reliable gun. I was already jealous of the guys rockin' it, but after shooting it I was even more so. The M240 I cannot walk around like that because it fires so much faster and its kicking way vertical more frequently. The SAW is fairly unique; most automatic rifles are magazine (or drum) fed, and have fixed barrels, like the RPK-74, MG-36, and that silly Colt Automatic Rifle. Contact Us. M240 is an M-60 replacement, fires 7.62 where as the M249 fires the 5.56, AKA Squad Automatic Weapon. They were super rattly and required constant upkeep, so I didn't think much of it. 13:17 M60 Walk-Around 16:04 Conclusion. Pro's: Weight of the gun, weight of the ammo, rate of fire. M60E hits harder, but is less accurate and slower rpm. If I could do it all over again, I'd run an HK21. All military firearms have life cycles that are assigned to them, and these are expected replacement points. M240 (FN MAG-58) PKM (Russian) The M60 falls somewhere below all three of them. Gunner, assistant gunner, and ammo bearer. If short (2-3rnd) bursts are possible with the 240, that's much better than the old MG42 could do, and possibly the MG3. Sniper’s Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ultraWiCkDnymph. Also keep in mind at 50 jumps, you have more jumps than a basic HALO graduate. Also, you say yall had Mk. The SAW is a system deployed by an individual within a squad. Sweet. The M249 is much easier to control, fires much faster, and its ammo weighs half of what the M60's 7.62mm rounds weigh. JavaScript is disabled. I still get 85 rounds which is plenty, plus I have a 2.4s reload speed after gear attributes. You are using an out of date browser. 1 2 4 sKoRpIoNaTo19. 5:13 M60 vs. FN M240 6:40 Army Reliability Tests 7:23 Controversy Over Testing 9:00 M60 vs. M249 SAW 9:20 M60 Accuracy Testing 10:50 Rambo-style Shooting Tests?! The Minimi (FN M249 family) are the standard in belt-fed 5.56mm weapons. Mr Kraig, when you say MG teams what do you mean exactly? Maybe our armorers kept these things top notch, or maybe you all were using too much CLP. Read more at: ««« GUN AND GEAR GIVEAWAYS »»» Our units didn't have M240's, but we used them on ops/exercises with other units. They are there to direct fires onto targets within the areas designated by the squad leader. Well, I was never a heavy (M60 or M240) gunner, but I was an M249 gunner for a while Security Forces in the USAF and stationed at Minot AFB. It's not adjustable for height. For example, the M249 receiver has a stated life of 50,000 rounds, and the M240 receiver is 60,000 rounds. So it's not that they have serious skill at that point, they just learned from the beginning how to deal with all the extra pieces. The cocking handle is easily bent. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Also, when I miss my target, I waste less ammo with the M60 as it fires slower. I have never been in the military but I watched the military channel last week and they were comparing small arms and they featured these three weapons. The M249 only required a … Thanks McCrazy. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. Personally, I prefer M249 with stability/accuracy mods, the 3.4x scope and Tactical Mag. Regardless, the canopy is larger than most tandem canopies being used by civilians. hide. Unless I could pick and train my gunners to my standards, give me a M-240 any day of the week. Then you'd mark that barrel w/ your name and use it in the field. I swear it feels like an eternity trying to kill someone at range with one of those compared to the PKP, M60, or M240. 1:49 M60 vs. Browning M1919 3:05 M60 Overview 4:09 Durability and Reliability? Vehicle mounted? Posted: 9/18/2006 8:49:46 AM EDT The MG3 has a heavier bolt and cycles at about 900rpm. PKM vs FN MAG vs MG3 vs M60 vs MG5 vs Pecheneg vs Mk 48 Thread starter Varanidae; Start date Dec 21, 2017; Which GPMG is the best? The 60 and 240 were deployed conventionally by a team. The E3's and Mk43's we had were extremely reliable, and very accurate once you mated them to a new barrel and sighted it in carefully. Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by aerod1, Apr 18, 2009. The M-60 was lighter, but you really needed to be on your game to use and maintain it. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Thanks for your service sir. The m240 is the best addition since the M2. Enlisted: 2012-09-15. And while I think the 240 was a smart upgrade, it's less than ideal for humping or jumping. New comments cannot be … The added weight of the M-240 is only a minor annoyance. 13s? The rest was just a wipe down with a rag with a couple drops on it. The liberals out there and liberal dominated media may not appreciate what yall do but there are people out there who do. At that time at least, the M240 and M60 were considered to be crew served weapons, which required an assistant gunner, and the M249 was not. no experience with a M240... i had a virgin M249.. it was awesome! This has been a problem with the M240 also, but a new much better tripod and T&E are coming into the system. The guys in my Squadron's sniper platoon were rolling with 7.62x51 rifles. It's got a very limited elevation and traverse. Team leader is usually the most senior man on the team. Our units didn't have M240's, but we used them on ops/exercises with other units. m240 weighs a bit more, faster cycle rate. Both reliable under any conditions; they balance themselves out as far as accuracy. I put part of a belt down with one of those and was blown away at how accurate it was. so once you mastered the M240B and got an hang to the recoil you can pretty much obliterate everyone, but prepare for masswhining,especially from assaultplayers and theyr easymode crutches. Takes some serious skill and determination to be jumping with all that crap strapped on more than once. Does the plain-jane Infantry get those as well now? The M249 light machine gun (LMG), also known as the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW) which continues to be the manufacturer's designation and formally written as Light Machine Gun, 5.56 mm, M249, is the American adaptation of the Belgian FN Minimi, a light machine gun manufactured by the Belgian company FN Herstal (FN). ... M240B kills fastest statistically. The M2 is an angry, loud, accurate SOB. IWI Israel Factory Tour - Home of the Tavor - YouTube, A Little South of Bardstown down yonder in them th. Also, when using bipods, I use the M60 for close range encounters, and the M240B for long range. I hated jumping the 240. Reminds me of the Curt Russell line in TOMBSTONE, "tell them I'm coming and I'm bring Hell with me!". Thanks for the replies yall. I've been using the M60 for almost the whole game and I keep debating on buying the M249. Both of these guns are able to be managed by 1 or 2 person gun teams and can be used in the SAW mission. I just came across this just declassified document that inarguably proves the M-60 is the superior weapon. So there is no difference in that area. 1:49 M60 vs. Browning M1919 3:05 M60 Overview 4:09 Durability and Reliability? The difference being is that new HALO graduate has full combat equipment night time Oxygen jumps under his belt when he graduates with his 20-28 jumps. Or are you with one of the SOCOM badass units? JohnGrunt said: I do feel like the M249 and MG4 feel like pea shooters. I concur; weight of projectile makes a big difference, especially with the body armor being used by modern combat troops these days. Jeff Edited to change M249 to M240-fat fingers tonight The M240 (and the FN MAG and the British L7, which are more or less the same thing when it comes down to it) are good weapons but are generally regarded as too heavy for infantry use. The M240, officially the Machine Gun, 7.62 mm, M240, is the US military designation for the FN MAG (French: Mitrailleuse d'Appui Général, English: general-purpose machine gun),[5] a … The M249 looks like I could either build or buy a receiver and get a parts kit, or get an M249 and a conversion kit, but bith these options appear to require buying from MGA of Hi Desert Dog Arms, neither of which seem to have a stellar reputation. Major league badass factor going there. Are you still in the Army? report. You must log in or register to reply here. Agreeing with several of the other posters, I favored the M60 as well, specifically the M60E3 and Mk43 over the M249's. Not asking for any names or anything so shoot me down if I was out of line with that question.. While the M-240 is heavier and longer, when we worked with the M-67 90mm RR in Berlin, that thing was a REAL pig. The E3's and Mk43's we had were extremely reliable, and very accurate once you mated them to a new barrel and sighted it in carefully. PKM lighter ,slower fire rate. Is the M60 still used in competitions? No, the 240 D and the 240E1 model was/is used on airframes with spade grips however they created an "egress" kit(Infantry mod kit) that put a buttstock,pistolgrip,barrel handle and a rear/front sight on it so aircrews could take and use the weapon with them if they had to ditch the airframe. I also already get enough leg strap bruises and discomfort from jumping in nothing but a suit, sneakers, and a helmet under a 210 sq ft canopy with a .95 wing loading, so I'm probably floating down even slower than you guys are when you're loaded down on what I assume are about 300-330s? The Gun team leader was usually the AG position. I have just about 50 sport jumps to my name now and wasn't really standing them up well until about jump 15. Very high quality. You just have to weigh those two factors. Mind you, there were quite a few days where it was high triple digits thru the beast as well. 2013-01-28 14:42 Which is the best: M249 M240B PKP M60 ? the most difficult one is the M240B, the most balanced one is the PKP and the most useless one is the M60-E4 thanks to it's blocking Ironsights. 7.62 gets my vote. I see that rig and just thank my lucky stars I'm not trying to drop with that. share. Gunner is usually the big guy that can hump the gun, or the littlest dude around, somehow it's never anyone in-between(Joking, but it seemed like that). Only thing I did not like about the M60 was how the bipod was attached the barrel and spare-barrel. All I could think was OMG! I couldn't get that thing to jam! This thread is archived. And there was apparently a lack of proper training on how to take them apart and put them back together in later years training programs. Don't get me wrong, you can still have a bad landing but with the increased AUW of the RA-1 big guys with 100lb rucks are no longer coming in like a bat out of hell. Haha true but i still enjoy the 249 but 240 is king @madchopperpilot words of truth Don't forget that the Ohio Ordnance 240 is a semi auto that fires from a closed bolt. The German version it was based on was much better (higher cyclic rate, better barrel shroud that protected better, easier barrel swap), but leave it to engineers to fix something that works well. M249 vs M240B vs PKP vs M60?!! I'd rather they just kill me to get this crap over with. M249 has much better accuracy out the box. 50% Upvoted. M249 is great for moving targets due to high rate of fire and more accurate on the move. If you know, what have our troops thought of the M2010 so far? Agreeing with several of the other posters, I favored the M60 as well, specifically the M60E3 and Mk43 over the M249's. M240 faster cyclic rate. Teams: They are crew served weapons, so it is referred to as a MG team. When Alabama Boss’ Ford Explorer breaks down in the middle of nowhere, there’s only one thing left to do.Take an M60 to it. Both have their uses in certain situations. I actually felt sorry for the SOB on the other end of all that devastation. 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