It is a very impressive kit in full resin with additional etched metal parts and nice decals including stencilling. Your role is not to fight directly but rather spot weaknesses in the enemy defence. And last, but not least: the gas turbine. F variant. Royalty free 3D model Panther F Turret 8,8 cm KwK 43 L71 for download as max, blend, fbx, and stl on TurboSquid: 3D models for games, architecture, videos. Schürzen – possibly optional. 3. production letter the tank was (some sources say 1600mm, others 1650mm and yet others 1680mm). --Etching and clear parts included. It was introduced during the Closed Beta Test for Ground Forces before Update 1.41. How often you need to fire at near full rate of fire? Highly detailed plastic pieces molded in grey. A very great article :) That 88 in the last picture would seriously have some horrible depression problems :P. did you read? It wasn’t possible to mount it even on a regular Panther, it required 1750 turret ring. Only the WZ-120 (type 59) is a copy of the T-54. Its almost not possible to penetrate frontplate of heavy targets and Panther II is not mobile enough to get enemies from side. Easy to say, almost ever battle is like tier 9 and 10. The Panther F-type is the final form of the Panther tank that has been prototyped. Each model is carved and painted to provide a unique piece of history that you’ll love. Be careful when approaching the enemy and always try to have the advantage. It was to have a -8/+15 elevation and depression and was to be equipped with SFZ2 or SFZ3 stabilized gunsights. Since these AT rifles were issued in huge numbers on the eastern front, the designers thought of way how to counter them. Panther Ausführung F (Ausf.F or Panther F) was to be the ultimate evolution program for the Panther vehicle. Actually it was determined that the front of the ISU was not loaded(balanced) well enough) it was proposed to add armor to the front to even it out . 2. The vehicels were to be produced by MAN, DB, Krupp, Niebelungenwerk (Porsche’s playground) and M.N.H (Maschinenfabrik Niedersachsen-Hannover GmbH). F variant. For another example, SU-100 has equally heavy gun projecting forwards from front wheel, and seems to work just fine. It wasn’t an Ahnenerbe UFO with unproved tech, it was a solid project, that simply came too late. Škoda (Czechoslovakia) developed a new version of the KwK 42…. The hull was only slightly modified – the hull top thickness increased to 40mm and the engine cover was 16mm thick. It also had the side effect of exhausting the loader pretty quickly. Can we have an article about these? - 900hp Maybach HL234 (August 1945) 1/72 Night Fighting Panther Ausf. Although not as effective as the later legendary KwK43, it's enough to penetrate most enemies it will face, resulting in many two-shot kills with the help of the PzGr 39's explosive filler. 75mm L/70 gun, modifications had to be made. The vehicle was armed with a 75 mm KwK 42/1 L/70 or KwK 44/1 L/70 gun in a new mantlet. but surely there must have been some kind of worry amongst the crews? The vehicle was to be powered by a 700hp Maybach HL230 P30 engine, allowing it to go as fast as 50km/h. Turbopanther is my wet dream. As expected of the Panther series, it features excellent mobility as a result of its very high power to weight ratio. Some reports state that several hulls were actually finished in the final days of war by Daimler-Benz in Berlin and (with Ausf.G turrets) actually fought between 20.4. and 23.4.1945 with II./Panzer-Regiment 2, fighting the Soviets near the Daimler Benz factory. F project. The Schmalturm was a way to actually decrease production time, save money and simplify the production as much as possible. - Panther G - Download Free 3D model by FreeMachine (@dan11l11l) [f76129f] V Ausf. Panther ultimate evolution – Panther Ausf.F | For the Record - mine clearing variant (utilizing flail) - to add a stereoscopic rangefinder Although an arty Premium would be welcome. Increased armor no. The Panther has no anti-air capabilities, so it is best to find cover if there are enemy aircraft nearby that are equipped with bombs or rockets. But if they worked, the point was to destabilize the bullet, by doing that you lose a lot of penetration potential. there seems to be a lot of confusion about the Panther and its historical properties. DB also designed an “alternative” Schmalturm with 100 mm of frontal armor and 50 mm side/rear armor. 13 periscope targetting device by Leitz was proposed, but the series vehicles were to recieve the S.F.Z.1 devices (5 prototypes were made by the end of 1944). The initial idea that Schmalturm was to be used for Panther II came from W.Spielberger – later research by T.Jentz however showed, that the turret that was to be used was a modified Panther Ausf.G turret. The Schmalturm 605 turret, developed by the company Daimler-Benz AG, was slightly smaller than the standard Panther turret. IIRC the French postwar assessments also had something to say about turret weight distributions and “rotatability” on inclines… In February 1945 it was decided that the vehicle would have only whole-steel roadwheels – no rubber. Partially, it’s because it’s such a legendary machine and partially simply because it’s German and – for some reason – over the decades since the WW2, numerous hoaxes, legends or simply confusions sprang up about the possible Panther upgrades. The turret was rotated hydraulically, allowing for full traverse in 30 seconds. To improve the Panther turret works on its design started already in 1943. Number: 6403. Another option is to buff high-tier mediums in general, they contribute too little to the game to make a difference. 3. So? For some reason, a few Panthers had 85 mm of frontal armor. By the end of the war the Germans were pretty much out of rubber. Production plans stipulated that production Ausf. The first drawing of the DB turret actually comes from 18.10.1944 and based on that, DB recieved a contract to develop this variant and it was in January they presented the results. After all similar designs are used against RPG rounds nowadays. There’s kind of *reasons* the Soviets started looking into rear-casemate designs. This allowed the forward armor to be reinforced up to 120 mm, at an inclination of 20°. The obvious one was to increase the side hull thickness, which led to the Panther II development – it was later rectified by the Schürzen side armor for much lesser cost (one of the great myths is that Schürzen were to protect against HEAT – they weren’t, they were designed to counter AT rifles) and Panther II project became obsolete, but not before producing some interesting parts, usable for regular Panthers. There is a decent article about it on wikipedia. Suitable for Ages 14 & Older. Add Rye Field Model 1:35 Pz.Kpfw.IV J mit Panther F Turret Military Model Kit to wishlist Pin It You may also like Rye Field Model 1:35 Pz. But what else is there? The hydraulics is a big improvement in German tanks. What? As a premium? 1. F. FHSW is just crazy fun. The armor was that of the regular Panther Ausf.G (80mm frontal plate, 50mm lower frontal plate, 40-50mm sides) with Schmalturm mounted on it (150mm mantlet, 120mm turret front, 60mm turret sides and 60mm (Spielberger) or 40mm (Jentz) turret rear). I should also say that the Germans knew the war was lost but on the hopes of a much longer war laid out the plans for future developments and implementation of those developments into actual production runs of future tanks. Buff my AMX-13 so it can fire ATGMs. This new turret features a bevy of positives over its previous iterations, including beefier armour and the removal of the prominent shot trap caused by the cylindrical nature of the previous model's mantlet. And for the breach mechanism inside the turret? I don’t mind it would be a copy of an already existing variant. The Model D Panther had armour similar to the V2, except that the frontal glacis plate was 80mm thick and sloped at 55 degrees, while the hull side plates were 40mm thick and set at 40 degrees. From the hull up, the F variation of the Panther is similar to previous models. Even if the turret ring was large enough it would make the tank massively front heavy. - Biwa infra-red scope and searchlight to be integrated with the rangefinder (May 1945) - and, last but not least, to make it cheaper. The Schmalturm was developed independently and was considered for both the Panther and Ausf.J Panzer IV. F and G, hulls. Well, it was Škoda, developing the finest tech all thru the war, something to be proud of :) At least on engineering level. However, the biggest and most noticeable change is seen in the turret design. The only alternative I could think of would be the (non-historically-accurate) 75 mm Konish gun, which has performance similar to the L/100 (except that the premium ammo is VERY expensive by comparison). I would say that it is more important then any modification to the armor despite the issues that come with high pressure hydraulics…. Rye Field Model (RFM) Title: Panther Ausf.F detail set Number: RM-2008 Scale: 1:35 Type: Detail set Released: 2021 | Initial release - new tool Barcode: 4897062620705 … And it’s not like human loaders seem to have any problems wrangling big shells out of racks and into breeches in spite of the tanks going full tilt in rough terrain and probably taking hits to boot…, “The turret was rotated hydraulically, allowing for full traverse in 30 seconds.” It’s more historically accurate than the Panther II 128mm! These were also tested on the Panther II The Ausf F's Schmalturm was to have a built-in stereoscopic rangefinder — using twin matching armored blisters, one on each turret side, much like the Americans' post-war M47 Patton tank — and lower weight than the original turrets. For example, the German GT series gas turbine was also intended for a Panther, but not specifically for Panter F, it was an experimental program only and it was never meant for serial production. These upgrades include: - an automatic loader for the KwK 42 L/70 (planned for April 1945) - to make the whole thing easier and faster to produce In January 1943, Hitler personally demanded the 75mm L/100, but nothing came of it. Except if its not a premium turbo-panther at tier 8. This item is limited to 1 per household. This model is not designed to be used with low polygons, such as in games. These are NOT a part of the Ausf.F program, no prototypes were mostly made or tested and most of them were born of desperation. Its only downside is the lack of people who know about it. Unfortunately nothing, because the L/70 is SERIOUSLY inadequate for a tier 7 medium (and the L/100′s a joke anyway). nope not really, they are really thing and not of armor grade steel. You should find a suitable location as soon as possible; when you do this, you can easily push off advancing enemy tanks while heavier allies join the action. All-steel road wheels would have done awful things to the tracks and ride quality. what gun can we expect at that tier? . The Schmalturm was to have been fitted to the Ausf.F and the Panther II. the Panther in Wot we grinding is fictional? the vk 3002 is the panther youre looking for, “As such, the project was unreasonable even by German standards.”. Use its speed and flank. F Tank with Fg 1250 STL 3D panther models for download, files in stl with low poly, animated, rigged, game, and VR options. Production of the Ausf.F with the Schmalturm was supposed to begin in 1945, but the deteriorating war situation put paid to that possibility. But the extra weight of the turret, 1 ton, plus the redistribution of load from the long gun to the front would make the transmission even more of a sad joke then it already was… no real top gear driving with a 8.8 L/71 thats for sure. Where did the stock Panther II turret come from? This is the 1/35 Scale Sd.Kfz.171 Panther Ausf.F with 7.5cm KwK42 L/100 Plastic Model Kit from the '39 - '45 Series by Dragon. In the autumn of 1944, production of a new variant of the Panther was planned, the Ausf. Highly recommend this kit for any fan of the panther tank. F variants were completed by Daimler-Benz between April 20 and 23, 1945, and they may have been used in combat operations. Slower turret traverse than the Panther A and G. This page was last edited on 6 March 2021, at 01:31. Two turret prototypes were captured, one was taken to the USA after the war and one was taken to Great Britain, where it was used for target practice (its remains are in Bovington today). -In addition to the etching sheet containing the side skirt, front fender, anti-aircraft armor plate, etc., 3D printer parts containing a fire extinguisher and cable eye are included. Depend on which Panther you are talking about. Well… there was plies of engines sitting around and development plans on the books… And then French did take a number of Panthers… If you got the parts and plans for upgrades… why not? Photo-etched parts III Ausf. Lack of ideal alloys meant that the armor tended to spall more and more often when hit as the war went on and critical alloys went into projects with higher priority’s and could not use alternatives. I had read of the steel-rimmed road wheels, but these have a thin layer of rubber sandwiched under the steel rim and the rest of the wheel. Workbench Hobbies, sharing the art of scale modelling Here is my Dragon Panther F with the Schmalturum. This section may also include the vehicle's devblog entry (if applicable) and the ingame encyclopedia description (under === Encyclopedia Info ===, also if applicable). Just compare to T-54, which has equally heavy gun mounted in front on suspension of similar capacity. Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos. Rob Schaepe - Winnipeng Canada - Panther F 1/35. G, with no sign of the normal hinge attachment bolts or cushioning wood stopper block. The Schmalturm mit 88mm L/71 proposal came in fact much later, in December 1944 and it came from Krupp (but it required some modifications, like 10cm larger turret ring). KwK 42 L/70 was not a specifically Ausf. Also with any engine figures from Germany the 900 hp of the HL234 was with NO accessory’s mounted to the engine. Scale: 1:35. And besides it would already have a turbine. The Panther will occasionally be facing enemies that can and will penetrate its turret from the front, namely the M26, T26E1-1, Tiger II, IS-2, Tortoise, AMX M4. are included. Its prominent feature was supposed to be the Schmalturm (narrow turred) depicted above (however, the picture does NOT show Panther Ausf.F, it’s a regular Ausf.G hull with second version of Schmalturm with S.Z.F.1/1b targetting device). Diagrams of the Panther II with the Panther II turm can also be found in 5-4 which even compare the Panther II to the Ausf. Even much weaker cage armor will either damage or prematurely fuze HEAT warhead, so skirts would kind of work. now a high speed AT rifle bullet would hit them and go out of balance and loose enough speed to not actually penetrate the real armor. Wasn’t the Schmalturm for PzKpfw IV different from the Panther Schmalturm? F comes as Premium. Further specs are also the same. - the usual MG34 machinegun was to be replaced by MG42 By the time Panther II was projected, not even first Schmalturm design proposals were laid down, Panther II was simply never intended to have this turret or this weapon. There is just not a lot of room in the newer 8.8cm turret for a 10.5cm. Instead of a directional machine gun, the radio operator/gunner used an MP 44 assault rifle. The rest are genuine Chineese models, excepting the T-34, wich is still modified in a way. Furthermore, the Schmalturm was to be equipped by a stereoscopic Zeiss rangefinder (1320mm wide), but the prototypes were not finished before the war was over. If model F would started production (well some say that about 5-10 we’re actually made) what would have been rate of production when compared to model G? no texture. However, the Schmalturm was not one of them. . Its full name was “Turm mit schmale Blendenausführung” and first drawings were dated to 7.11.1943. Only a few F hulls were made according to Panzer Tracts and fitted with Ausf.G turret. It was just a thought as far as I know. It carried the FUG 5 radio station and could mount the FG1250 infrared device. Most of the heavy tanks that the Panther faces are not fast enough to counter its attacks. true I play a panther II and to buff it, dont add a 128 gun, but the jadgtiger 8.8′s modified l/71 gun that was supposed to be fitted. But just by eyballing it might actually fit too. I won’t fight with APCR-ammunition. only two of these are a part of the Chinese tech tree ,meaning that they make up less than 12% of the Chinese tech tree. Fly with the Panther Pack of the 13th Fighter Squadron in this wooden F-16 model. Instead, the distinctive Ausf F. hatch guides could be seen. Ausf.F Pz.Kpfw.V neuer Art Development of the Schmalturm (small turret) was underway at the end of the war with prototype turrets completed. a very nice read , thank you for the article SS. Mobility is a big advantage and the tanker should use it to their advantage, especially when fighting higher-rank vehicles. HEAT shell would just knock right trough them without much hindrance. Why? This was not realistic, it was Spielberger’s mistake (one he later actually rectified) and Tom Jentz (who worked closely with H.Doyle) called him on that. You can’t have Panther F today in World of Tanks, because the Panther hull on tier 7 has unhistorical armor (85mm frontal plate instead of 80mm), but you can get close by mounting the top engine (albeit incorrect designation) and Schmalturm on Panther along with the stock gun (75mm L/70): Of course, the Panther F would make a fine tier 7 premium vehicle (if it had its historical armor that is). - 700hp Argus LD220 air-cooled diesel engine Don’t know about armour, engine and other stuff. You say the the L/70 is inadequate but look at the Comet’s gun. They were needed at the front. Be sure to reference text and sources by using , as well as adding them at the end of the article. That is part of the reason some of the plates began to creep up in thickness but not exactly in stopping power. Right side empty: 50 (+32) or both sides empty: 22 (+60). The Panther is a great "hunter," locating weak (slow, damaged, or alone) tanks and taking them out is by far its greatest capability. No. Type 62 is also a copy, WZ-131 with that T VII gun. would make the tank more stealthy for sure, no revving your engine up just so you can turn your turret faster. G prototype with a Schmallturm turret was ready. Some sources indicate that several Ausf. Previously on the Tigers and most of the other German tanks the turret rotation it tied directly.. to the RPM of the engine in the tank. Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example: Paste links to sources and external resources, such as: Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle, Reduces the error and increases the maximum measurable distance of the rangefinder. Let me rephrase that: this 100mm proposal landed DB the Schmalturm development contract, but it was rejected in the sense that WaPrüf said “okay, but make it better”. And all that while the whole thing weighted only a ton more than the current Panther turret. That “many” would amount to the two AMX-13s pretty much. However its mobility has been toned down a few notches due to the limiting of the engine to improve engine lifespan, which is unfortunately useless as reliability has no function in War Thunder. (Assuming the T-5 will come out sometime, and counting the PzV/M10 Ersatz). Most of them also had two drums (8-12 shells) loaded before going into battle. So that while the armor on the panthers and others got thicker between 43-45 it does not always mean that the armor was actually that much better as the increased thicknesses would lead most people to believe. No, that makes no sense. - hydrostatic and hydrodynamic steering units. Due to the overall difficulty of Germany's situation at the time, only a few prototypes with a narrow turret and 8 tank hulls had been constructed by the end of the war. - 720hp Simmering Type Sla.16 diesel. . That would be interesting. Would need an image of the complete gun in scale. Also knowing the exact pivot point would be nice. Although this new turret is a welcome addition, it is not without its weaknesses. No, There is allready a premium ersatz Panther, there will be a premium captured T-5 Pantera, too… no need in annother one. Yes, I would prefer turbo panther T8 premium. Despite its slower turret traverse speed and mobility over the Panther A, it receives better turret armor, a rangefinder and faster reload. Used a tiger 2 drawing for the gun with the breach (also from Doyle) and tried to scale it correctly (kinda messy so no guarantees) but looks like the breach fits too. Once you learn how to take advantage of its speed and gun, you'll easily take out enemy targets by surprise. The sides of the new turret had a thickness of 60 mm and an inclination of 25°, and the thickness of the gun mantlet reached 150 mm. Grumman F9F Panther model kit 1001hobbies offers a large selection of aircraft models: plastic airplane models, wooden airplane models, passenger or military aircrafts, etc. F mit 8.8cm) A number of prototype turrets had been produced and tested by different manufacturers in slightly different shapes on and off the existing Panther Ausf. I doubt the front heaviness. This is the 1/35 Scale Sd.Kfz.171 Panther F mit Gummigedampften Stahllaufrollen Plastic Model Kit from the '39 - '45 Series by Dragon. Anti-AT-rifle effect of skirts is based on standoff armor separating core of APCR bullets. OMG, regular APCR 88mm on a Panther with gas turbine, that would be so troll D: 8.8cm L/71 most likely, or they give it the 10.5cm. The Panther Ausf F would have had the Schmalturm, with its better ballistic protection, and an extended front hull roof which was slightly thicker. Anyways, a dense enough mesh ought to have much the same effect on the bullets and no difference regarding HEAT, which oughta been something of a headache by that point – “skirts” were after all used when fighting the Democracies too, and those had tossed AT rifles a while ago but issued copious amounts of bazookas and PIATs instead. I agree tho that in order to give the Panther the L/70 and keep it competitive it would need bufs in other areas like camo and mobility. There were several goals for the development, as defined by Waffenprüfamt 6: - to eliminate possible shot trap under the mantlet No and no. so, did panther F had increased side armor or schurzen? Panzerkampfwagen Panther Ausführung F (Sd.kfz.171) specifications Dimensions Length: 8.86 m Length (without gun): 6.866 m Width (with Schürzen): 3.42 m Height: 2.917 m Weight, combat loaded 45.5 tonnes Crew 5 medium tank Panther G-Sd.Kfz. “I accidentally a tier 9 Turbopanther, is this bad?”. Ausf.F tanks production was planned to start gradually from April to October 1945 with possibly 50 vehicles completed in March, 150 in April, 400 in May, 520 in June, 570 in July, 610 in August, 670 in September, 730 in October and from November on, 760 vehicles per month. That is archievable only with a casette autoloader. Harder to tell. We already have a real Panther in tier 7, the Panther M10, it is a stock panther, or at least has the stock turret and 75mm L70. But it wouldn’t count on it. 2. - to increase the protection without increasing the weight of the turret In order to accomodate the powerful (and completely sufficient for its time!) It wasn’t. Nice to train crew with it and make some crew with it. The KwK44 is an incredibly effective gun when engaging enemy armour due to its penetration. - to make the turret easy to convert for command tank version (Befehlpanzerausführung) and for IR device installation Replace 75mm L/100 with “late 75mm KwK 42 L/70″ firing APCR as default ammo, with some sort of “super APCR” or HEAT with +-240mm pen. Yes, it would be a copy of one of the Panther variants, but I think it would still be nice. Well at least -8 fits just fine on those images by Doyle. No it is an awesome tech that makes it posible to shoot at targets under hill. There however have been various other (more or less – often less – realistic) upgrade proposals for the Panther. Depending how wide the holes were of course. The Schmalturm It’s possible that it was the 100mm front version, but I think it was the same turret (source: Panzer Tracts 20-1). Suitable for Ages 14 & Older. Now would be a good time to actually make a thick line between realistic, designed and proposed upgrades for the Panther. The last version of Panther that went to serial production was ausf. https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Panther_F&oldid=96112, Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet, cupola), New turret removes the shot trap which plagued earlier models, Nigh impenetrable turret cheeks when facing from the front, 75 mm KwK 44 is an accurate and powerful gun, Explosive filler on PzGr 39 shell allows for easy one- or two-shot kills, APCR shell can allow the tank to compete with the heavier armour found in an uptier, Features excellent, although toned down mobility as well as neutral steering, Hull can become even more difficult to penetrate when angled properly, Slightly faster reload than the previous models of Panthers, Optical rangefinder, allows you to measure the range faster than the normal rangefinder and up to 2,200-2,500 m (depending on your crew qualification), Although the turret has increased armour, it remains a weak spot with basically no angling, Hull suffers similarly to turret; although good by itself, it becomes paper when facing higher tier guns, 75 mm KwK44 can become difficult to use as a sniper in an uptier. Thx for nothing, WG! F tanks would only be released with road wheels with internal shock absorbers. SerB actually sort of planned the Turbopanther on tier 9. if that hapens. Furthermore, in January 1945, a Schmalturm for Panther with KwK 43 (88mm L/71) was proposed by Daimler Benz. I am not actually sure they worked, could have been something the Germans simply tried. Originally, T.Z.F. Eh, the T-54 turret sits *rather* more in the center of the hull…. The 85 mm on the Type has the exact same specs as WZ-131′s gun. It was modified as late as Jan. ’45. (1665974) I doubt it. The next-generation Panther was to be the Ausf.F, whose design was approved in May 1944. The muzzle brake was also removed. Sd.Kfz.171 Panther F mit Gummigedämpften Stahllaufrollen. “Turm mit schmale Blendenausführung” it must called “schmaler” not “schmale”, it refers to Turm. Unreasonable is the definition of powerful tanks in WOT, see auto-loading tanks. A production photo of a Panzerkampfwagen V Panther Ausf F which was supposed to be the final variant to replace all previous models, also referred to as a Panther 2, but didn't get passed the prototype stage before wars end. There were several versions and its evolution could cover an entire article by itself, but that’s a story for another time. Hobby Boss F9F-3 Panther Airplane Model Building Kit 4.7 out of 5 stars 4 $26.57 $ 26. This new Daimler Benz design was to be mounted on Panther G hull and this combination was to be redesigned to Panther Ausf.F – yet another stop here: there are people on various forums spreading “ideas” that the Panther F was to be some sort of “super Panther” with massive armor increase. We will be happy to resolve any issues you may have in a cordial and friendly … I imagine it would still have a decent effect against most rifle shots (were the Soviet ATRs 7.62, 7.92, 12.7mm?) F. That was the older design from October 1944 that was rejected, no? Even a short 10.5cm due to weight issues makes no sense. Or were HEAT detonators back then too stiff to react to such a “thin” metal sheet? In 1945 however, these plans were pure fantasy. The Pz.Kpfw. I would say partly fictional would be correct, to a degree. Just as an FYI, the majority of the Patton Museum’s tanks, including the Panther II, have been moved to Ft Benning, GA. Well i’m kinda intrested in Panther for diffrent reasons but I have always wondered couple of things about model F. 1. What? Now, I wouldn’t say it was never planned for Ausf. Saved metal and weight for one. Based on Grumman’s earlier F9F Panther, the Cougar replaced the Panther’s straight wing with a … unified componants writers proclaim were to be the "Panther Ausf.F" - a cramped unproven turret and troublesome running gear, the Panther was designed to destroy medium/heavy Soviet tanks - this it eventually did with aplomb from 1944-45, the issue of a "too big turret" is a "red herring" - … Yet their gameplay is worlds apart. A muzzle brake is a way to reduce the recoil. 171-Panzerkampfwagen V Panther. BTW weren’t most others using electric engines for traverse? This is how it would have looked in real life, according to T.Jentz: While the previous new type of turret was developed by Rheinmetall, it was not exactly successful. . Plus the HL234 was still in development it was competitive idea to the proposed/partly developed GT103. ), Funny enough the Pz IV had the same turret ring size as the panther depending on the source and Ausf. 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