rocrail vs jmri
I assume they all work stable and keep their promises. with departing trains. Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, And the more general parts of JMRI probably works better. Besides, RocRail cannot track locomotives that you drive manually. Just put in the plug and watch ones trains driving or programming ones own schedyles in Python? That has a lot of documentation available, and the documentation shows support either available or coming for several European train control products; iTrain, WinDigipet, TrainController, RocRail. Sometimes the locomotive doesn’t move, even though one can see in the throttle window that RocRail seems to thing that it has sent a command to the locomotive to run at march speed. Their intention was to develop a system for comprehensive layout control based on a general purpose Layout Control … And it works better than RocRail, since the error-handling in JMRI is way better than that in RocRail. V době, kdy jsem s ovládání přes PC začínal, nebyly k JMRI o nic lepší informace než k RocRail. It does not help to restart RocRail. 1. But the price will be that it will take several years before I know enough details about all protocols, such as the Uhlenbrock PC interface, DCC and Loconet and before I have utilized such knowledge to actually write the software for both implementing these communication protocols as well as the application code to visualize my layout and the control code to actually run trains., switches etc. Until now, I have been trying JMRI. Když se ale člověk pokoušel prokousat těmito programy, tak v RocRail byl postup realizace ovládání v těch základních krocích (definice tratě, výhybky, zpětné ohlasy, automatizace provozu) řádově rychlejší než v JMRI. But I do see in the forum that the instability I experience is also experienced by others. You could take a look on newRMweb forum in the Computer Control section and search for raspi threads. My layout shall be PC controlled. I have just postet a patch to JMRI. Don't know what your goals are. The one for iPad costs 69 DKK, and there is no free version. I cannot see what the big difference between the two versions is, but I suspect I am going to find out, if I start using the light edition. That price is not much compared to the commercial programs. The down-side would be that there will be no chances to write additional modules myself and not even to tweak the existing functionality. You have the option to use multiple windows, and RocRail does a much better job remembering window positions between shutdowns than JMRI. In addition, there is a very active contributor, who seems to be very decisive (good and bad) and in control about which improvements are approved and which are not. And if at some point in time, I am making a different descision, it is going to be commercial software. I have had to patch it to make feedback as well as switch control working. What you configure here has to be saved back the Arduino eprom and has to be consistent with what you set up in the JMRI sensor table for your DCC++ sensors. I could use a push in the right direction regarding the: LocoNetClass::processSwitchSensorMessage does not seem to be the correct place for triggering callback functions for OPC_MULTI_SENSE messages. – Win-Digipet IT is much more a finished program for the normal user that just wants to run trains. Based on 1 – 3 there seems to be one unlogic and two logic choices for me: RocRail is not logic, since I may only save 2500 DKK compared to buying a commercial program. And that seems odd, since decoder programming is supposed to be one of the things that JMRI is really good at. And then it is very difficult to get things working again. JMRI Is written in Java. As far as being resource-intensive, well, it'll run happy as a clam on a Raspberry Pi. There seems to be two serious candidates: JMRI that I have already been looking at and RocRail that I have also installed on my PC and has seen “hole through” in. In a previos post I talked about the DCC++ Command Station. Both JMRI and RocRail are cross-platform. ... JMRI DecoderPro V3.11 or higher. Det fremtræder i meget højere grad som et lækkert program for den … Re: RocRail vs. JMRI od Brejla » čtv 13 srp, 2020 12:54 pm sidlo píše: Brejla se opět manipulativním příspěvkem snaží převést věcnou diskusi o výrobku či službě na konfrontační hádku o výrobci či autorovi. 2014 part 5 – RocRail (and a bit more about servos and turnouts), 2014 part 6 – From now on it is JMRI and S88-N, 2015 part 1 – JMRI, S88-N and first locomotive conversion, 2015 del 3 – Faller planer og diverse elektronik problemer, 2015 del 6 – Warrants i stedet for Dispatcher, 2016 Part 2 – Model Building Plans & Lima MR Conversion, 2016 part 3 – Thoughts About Model-houses and Model-cars, First Real Layout 2 – Landscape and Buildings, First Real Layout 3 – The Build in Practice, 2016 part 4 – Building New Layout – The Base Board, 2017 part 1 – Building New Layout – Plywood for Lower Level, 2017 part 2 – Building New Layout – Track at Lower Level, 2017 part 3 – Building New Layout – Wiring and More Track, 2017 part 4 – Building New Layout – Track at Skive H, 2017 part 5 – Building New Layout – JMRI Setup & Various Adjustments, 2017 part 6 – Summertime – With Some Train Time Now And Then, 2017 part 8 – Showcase + Changes to Ground Level, 2017 part 9 – Defect Current Sensors, New Leveling, 2017 part 10 – Test of new Levelling + Heljan B cars, 2018 Part 1 – Track at SVJ + Decoder Problems, http://www.gotthardmodell.ch/digitales/software/traincontroller/, http://wiki.rocrail.net/doku.php?id=donate-en&DokuWiki=4ad465ee2e5ec1e3b662d9a9c6abf18f. And in those posings on the forum, the typical pattern is that this or that used to work, but after a particular update has ceased to do so. JMRI has a free throttle app for Android. I guess I lost some faith in JMRI when I tried to help a friend automate a trolley loop on his layout with it. The story about the re-invention of my old Märklin railway. The price of those is easily €300. Someimes the program goes bezerk and forgets to stop the locomotive. No matter how much this one person can be admired for his contribution, he decides too much – both regarding functionality and regarding which faults shall be corrected and which not. I think that JMRI is real open source, i.e. Because the I2C bus is a common and standard one, the idea to use it for Model Railway automation was born in 2013. RocRail should however be better at LocoIO programming than JMRI. The JMRI project is building tools for model railroad computer control. In this example with the DigiX and the 5 turnouts, the control is done via JMRI -- I have a custom program that emulates an NCE bus (for JMRI) or an SRCP bus (for RocRail), receives the commands from JMRI or RocRail and then sends them over wifi to the DigiX. I have to use equal amounts of patience and magic to make the locomotives stop at the same spot each time and to synchronize sounds (announcements etc.) Of note as well: JMRI is java-based, which means it will work with the SPROG 2 on Windows, Mac and Linux computers. How things are with Loconet programming is until further unknown to me. Or just pay for the freidwald system???? Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions. Power Supplies. (Their opinion not mine). Find or make a Jython program (unless Logix is already capable of doing this) to keep track of all trains locations – no matter if they are being moved manually or if they are running automatically. In addition, there seems to have been a WEB interface at some point in time. Find or make a Jython program to measure speed through a block. There is also a thing as interesting as a sound generator for locomotive sounds, so that locomotives without their own sound decoder can ge sounds anyway. Besides, time has shown that you don’t need to program anything to get your trains to run automatically – apart from the errors that I have already corrected for all IB-COM og (see later) ECOS users. Do anything about. I don't use iTrain, but I have run RocRail in parallel with JMRI and I have had JMRI and RocRail communicating with the DR5000 simultaneously. – Buying commercial software Naturally, commercial software should not be disregarded all together. throttles and control panels (PanelPro) to switch junctions and accessories. RocRail consists of two different parts: A server (RocRail) and a client (RocView). It has however been done in a ways so that RocRail is compiled for several operating systems. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. Between visits, he downloaded a trial of RR&Co Silver and had the whole thing working the next time I came over, 4 sets of trolley cars following each other at least one block apart and it ran for hours with no faults. The two parts does not need to run on the same PC. manage your account online and more! A readers of previous posts will know I’m seriously exploring layout automation, and reviewing my previous assumption that Railroad and company was too expensive to consider. The way towards JMRI could be: What do you mean by "control a couple patterns" thats pretty vagie. I would rather be driving trains. I have already downloadet the source code and got a development environment up and running. And that is dangerous. I have connected both JMRI and RocRail to the DR5000 over the LAN (Ethernet) using the "LocoNet over TCP/IP LBServer" configuration on the DR5000. I will have to deal with the rest using Uhlenbrocks somewhat basic software. To really understand Logix and make it control signals. There are two ways to actually get the locomotive moving: Either press some random function for the locomotive, such as turning on or offe light or by simply waiting several minutes. The first experiments with RocRail seemed to indicate that RocRail was easier to use than JMRI. With JMRI one can trust that all values are read from the decoder, if JMRI says so. One has to select “soft reset” and “reset all” in some combination that I have not fully determined. Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more. – Railware. 2. Code should be indented for readability, not because it uses that to denote procedures and other types of code blocks. The Android version is free, but will only run for 5 minutes, unless you donate a sum and obtain a key. Well I can simply say: 20 Apr 2010 JMRI is at least working so thats a start, but it doesn't appear to work the way I want, which I think Rocrail will The following are things we Auto/Semi Auto/Manual control. Rocrail can do it. It seems safe for a programmer such as myself, but may seem scaring to many others. ), trains will not stop in the block they are supposed to. So from now on, it is JMRI. The iPad version has a free light edition, whereas the full version costs 65 DKK. Signal control (how do people do this for Lenz's drivers don't work in Win 7, or at least in the 64 bit version. But hey … it is a completely free program! So does that really mean free?? 3. Now JMRI can be used for decoder programming via IB-COM. Decoder programming works. Big Bear Railcontroller is one such option, with a very small feature set. Finally, there is an example on the forum, where the iPad throttle is the centre for an argument between this person and some user. If Tera Term can open the COM port (and you get the standard response from DCC++) but JMRI cannot, then it is an issue between JMRI and the COM port. Rocrail er noget nemmere at komme i gang med. I don’t know Python. Another issue is that the very same person has decided that there is no longer any stable versions / releases, i.e. Versions that have been tested and errors corrected. The Java implementation of Python is the way to do so. nature, not "It crashed! ... r-control/ Rob – Writing the software myself 3. I believe it fails to work with JMRI also whereas the Elite does. In particular I suspect that setting the pullup option in the base station configuration is important whereas setting it in the JMRI sensor table may not work as expected. That certainly hasn't been my experience. That could mean either the JMRI code or the Java Runtime Environment you're using. JMRI is a totally different beast. 2. Next thing must be to “adjust” the multitude of configuration possibilities in RocRail. 3. Particularly as some of the JMRI development team are in Europe, so may well already know about Digikeijs ! So in practice this does not make a big difference compared to JMRI. I am not claiming that RocRail is especially error-prone. Whether a commercial program or JMRI is the best choice must depend upon what one wants. It contains several tools like e.g. By buying commercial software, I would expect to get going very fast. It is basically a library of code that one can use to build software for ones own layout. DCC programming via IB-COM. And then RocRail has totally lost any knowledge about which locomotive that is in which block. And at a first glance, the program is well-working. JMRI can not, it’s main purpose is to offer layout switch panels. If a reset is unsuccessfull (or is this caused by something different?? The transition between aspects is done by slow turning off and then progressive lighting of the lights to get a nice effect as close to reality. There are plenty of postings every day, and when I had a problem with comiling the Java code, I got help from several parties within a couple of hours. •It is beyond the scope of this clinic to fully describe JMRI. Went through the JMRI Source code and turns out that Al Silverstein had already reverse engineered the OPC_MULTI_SENSE. Unfortunately ECoS users can not use this tool, because ESU… But nevertheless, if I am going to pay anyway, the commercial programs are probably better. For all the rest, JMRI. What type of command center are you using? Start setting up the automatic script and section 5 would go occupied along wih section 11 which is where the trolley really was. And Windigipet seems to be another serious candidate. It does hoever not make anything faster – especially not start-up of the software. But even worse, the random-auto function that is built into the program does not work. The first experiments with RocRail seemed to indicate that RocRail was easier to use than JMRI. There seems to be several improvements every day. I suppose that I could get help on the RocRail forum. It might be because I have misunderstood something, but is seems to be “works as defined”. controlled by a community and not a single person. Right now, I am in doubt. So far the hardest part is working out which railroad & co products I think I need. The more commercial alternatives are mostly Windows-only. Easy programming via a button. JMRI has quite an old fashioned look and feel and it takes some more getting used to than iTrain. And I would expect easy-to-use and well-working software. I plan to change the DCC++ command station protocol to make it more standard and be able to use also other software like Rocrail, but for now it must be used with JMRI. 4. JMRI page for the NCE USB connection. It ought to work, even though it seems that at least two or (for Win-Digipet) three sensors per block seems to be recommended. If I am writing it all from scratch, I will have full control about all details. SPROG II requires a regulated DC power supply of 12 - 15V, at least 1 Amp. I have heard about a program called RR&Co. But I am setting up JMRI and I am very happy with it. USB Built In – For JMRI, Rocrail, Etc…. I've been using JMRI for 10+ years, usually always the latest test release, and I can't recall it EVER crashing. I decided make this video on JMRI DecoderPro. A year ago, I would have said JMRI and Python. Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's. I have JMRI set up, just don't want to invest hours setting up the wrong system. Find or make a Jython program that can run trains via a schedule. The system itself supports just about everything you can do with DCC, including multi-train throttles, 28-function decoders, programming on the main, reading and writing CV's from a dedicated programming track, controlling turnouts, etc. User's manual of PpP-Sem2: Decoder definitions for JMRI, TrainProgrammer, Rocrail, Lenz: PpP-Sem3 But if the rest works more stabile, I will just have to buy a sound decoder and let it change sounds and address according to which locomotive I am going to use it with. It isn’t even implemented. I've had terrific luck with Rocrail, using some extremely old hardware. And updates is additional cost. I have no idea why anyone would use it. But it hasn’t been just a walk in the park to make it work. That's a different question, but not because lack of stability or use of excessive computer resources on JMRI's part. And it may not be that expensive. But then I would probably have to register and pay €10 per year. I may be testing trial versions of these products at some point. It's quite simple and easy to mount, and features a full DCC command station with PC interface and compatible with Rocrail and JMRI. So I can manage things myself. In addition, there is a very active contributor, who seems to be very decisive (good and bad) and in control about which improvements are approved and which are not. And now that I have had a deep look into the the JMRI interface to Uhlenbrock IB-COM, I am confident that I will be able to solve other problems that I may find in that interface. So by looking at the RocRail code or via simple traces, it must be possible to implement in JMRI too. WiFi Built In – Smartphones, Tablets, WiFi Throttles (Roco Z71 Phone and Tablet Apps & WLANmaus) ROCO Z21 App & Throttle support. I am assuming that is only while programming decoders. But there is supposed to be a LocoIO programmer in JMRI. 4. I personally use both. That argument ends with the source code for the iPad throttle being hidden and thereby no longer open source. I've had terrific luck with Rocrail, using some extremely old hardware. Connection between the PC/Mac and the Arduino is either by USB cable or BlueTooth for wireless control. a real programming language. After some ime, RocRail seems to re-send the command to the locomotive. There are many users that probably uses other types of command-stations, but who all uses the general parts of JMRI. Stable releases exists. Hardly what I'd consider "lots of resources". When will the same thing happen with the entire RocRail program? That is (generally) that one would define ones layout and rolling stock and then the program would either run the trains automatically or let one self run them manually. Commercial software is for the user who just wants to play trains. Who ever though that was an great idea? IT is way too much dominated by one single person. 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