The 85 mm on the Type has the exact same specs as WZ-131′s gun. This new Daimler Benz design was to be mounted on Panther G hull and this combination was to be redesigned to Panther Ausf.F – yet another stop here: there are people on various forums spreading “ideas” that the Panther F was to be some sort of “super Panther” with massive armor increase. Panther Ausf. 1. This is how it would have looked in real life, according to T.Jentz: While the previous new type of turret was developed by Rheinmetall, it was not exactly successful. I had read of the steel-rimmed road wheels, but these have a thin layer of rubber sandwiched under the steel rim and the rest of the wheel. . 57 FREE Shipping Only 2 left in stock - order soon. Used a tiger 2 drawing for the gun with the breach (also from Doyle) and tried to scale it correctly (kinda messy so no guarantees) but looks like the breach fits too. F. That was the older design from October 1944 that was rejected, no? with a battle rating of 5.7 (AB/RB/SB). Played around some more. The Schmalturm was a way to actually decrease production time, save money and simplify the production as much as possible. - to make the turret easy to convert for command tank version (Befehlpanzerausführung) and for IR device installation There is a decent article about it on wikipedia. I remember Tuccy posting in Czech forum section long time ago about it being smaller and with weaker armour. The Schmalturm © 2021 Gaijin Network Ltd. All rights reserved. HEAT shell would just knock right trough them without much hindrance. - to make the whole thing easier and faster to produce it says -8, in what standards is it horrble? It is not advised to attack enemy heavy tanks directly or frontally; this is where they have most of their armour, and the Panther will probably not be able to penetrate it. I won’t fight with APCR-ammunition. There were some further modifications, like the improvement of the crew hatch shapes. In the autumn of 1944, production of a new variant of the Panther was planned, the Ausf. F comes as Premium. Thx for nothing, WG! The initial idea that Schmalturm was to be used for Panther II came from W.Spielberger – later research by T.Jentz however showed, that the turret that was to be used was a modified Panther Ausf.G turret. ( This is a machine translation. It was modified as late as Jan. ’45. Depend on which Panther you are talking about. This is the 1/35 Scale Sd.Kfz.171 Panther Ausf.F with 7.5cm KwK42 L/100 Plastic Model Kit from the '39 - '45 Series by Dragon. A muzzle brake is a way to reduce the recoil. Although not as effective as the later legendary KwK43, it's enough to penetrate most enemies it will face, resulting in many two-shot kills with the help of the PzGr 39's explosive filler. Further upgrades were also considered, but even the Germans admitted these were simply a “wish list” and most fall into the “pipe dream” category: - diesel Deutz engine (unknown hp, presumably over 1000hp) It’s more historically accurate than the Panther II 128mm! It wasn’t possible to mount it even on a regular Panther, it required 1750 turret ring. I would say partly fictional would be correct, to a degree. (Assuming the T-5 will come out sometime, and counting the PzV/M10 Ersatz). Suitable for Ages 14 & Older. There was no Czechoslovakia back then, unless you mean Beneš and I doubt he would be happy about identifying this company contribution for German warfare with his government. The next-generation Panther was to be the Ausf.F, whose design was approved in May 1944. The vehicels were to be produced by MAN, DB, Krupp, Niebelungenwerk (Porsche’s playground) and M.N.H (Maschinenfabrik Niedersachsen-Hannover GmbH). 3. Pingback: The “Turbopanther” – Panther Ausf.F mit Gasturbine | For The Record, Panther ultimate evolution – Panther Ausf.F, The “Turbopanther” – Panther Ausf.F mit Gasturbine | For The Record, What a weird place for an AMR-35 to find itself in…. Some reports state that several hulls were actually finished in the final days of war by Daimler-Benz in Berlin and (with Ausf.G turrets) actually fought between 20.4. and 23.4.1945 with II./Panzer-Regiment 2, fighting the Soviets near the Daimler Benz factory. Production of the Ausf.F with the Schmalturm was supposed to begin in 1945, but the deteriorating war situation put paid to that possibility. Panzerkampfwagen Panther Ausführung F (Sd.kfz.171) specifications Dimensions Length: 8.86 m Length (without gun): 6.866 m Width (with Schürzen): 3.42 m Height: 2.917 m Weight, combat loaded 45.5 tonnes Crew 5 Just as an FYI, the majority of the Patton Museum’s tanks, including the Panther II, have been moved to Ft Benning, GA. Well i’m kinda intrested in Panther for diffrent reasons but I have always wondered couple of things about model F. 1. I would say that it is more important then any modification to the armor despite the issues that come with high pressure hydraulics…. Released: 2008 | Rebox (Updated/New parts) But if they worked, the point was to destabilize the bullet, by doing that you lose a lot of penetration potential. Škoda (Czechoslovakia) developed a new version of the KwK 42…. This section may also include the vehicle's devblog entry (if applicable) and the ingame encyclopedia description (under === Encyclopedia Info ===, also if applicable). So it’d be just what it’s supposed to be – German remake of a Soviet tank. Use its speed and flank. Except if its not a premium turbo-panther at tier 8. Something about a improved final drive of the panther which, according to some sources, broke down every 150km? The muzzle brake was also removed. Comet can somewhat make up for lacking penetration with nice mobilty, -13 gun depression and somewhat small profile, BTW. If model F would started production (well some say that about 5-10 we’re actually made) what would have been rate of production when compared to model G? Be careful when approaching the enemy and always try to have the advantage. Your role is not to fight directly but rather spot weaknesses in the enemy defence. F variants were completed by Daimler-Benz between April 20 and 23, 1945, and they may have been used in combat operations. Or link if we already have? Right side empty: 50 (+32) or both sides empty: 22 (+60). STL 3D panther models for download, files in stl with low poly, animated, rigged, game, and VR options. Saved metal and weight for one. It was decided that a narrower front plate was desirable with a different mantlet to prevent downward deflection of incoming armour-piercing rounds. That is archievable only with a casette autoloader. KwK 42 L/70 was not a specifically Ausf. Turbopanther is my wet dream. Buff my AMX-13 so it can fire ATGMs. So no problem if the Panther Ausf. The Panther Ausf F would have had the Schmalturm, with its better ballistic protection, and an extended front hull roof which was slightly thicker. However, this does not mean that they are harmless. That is part of the reason some of the plates began to creep up in thickness but not exactly in stopping power. Just compare to T-54, which has equally heavy gun mounted in front on suspension of similar capacity. - to increase the protection without increasing the weight of the turret Anyways, a dense enough mesh ought to have much the same effect on the bullets and no difference regarding HEAT, which oughta been something of a headache by that point – “skirts” were after all used when fighting the Democracies too, and those had tossed AT rifles a while ago but issued copious amounts of bazookas and PIATs instead. Why 75L70 (KwK 42) didn’t have muzzle brake on model F why others had it? Or were HEAT detonators back then too stiff to react to such a “thin” metal sheet? As far as I know that just has to do with the German production system, apparently there were always some slight variations in the dimensions of their vehicles (ie one panther being a few cm wider or taller than another ect). Well at least -8 fits just fine on those images by Doyle. --Abundant options (2 types of hatches, 2 types of wheels, 2 types of stereo rangefinders, etc.) Why? However, the Schmalturm was not one of them. The Panther is a great "hunter," locating weak (slow, damaged, or alone) tanks and taking them out is by far its greatest capability. Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ground vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. Instead of the transverse-cylindrical mantlet of the D and A models or the chinned mantlet of the G model, the Panther F features a brand new trapezoidal turret named the Schmaltürme (or "Narrow Turret"). Although having a slower turret traverse speed and mobility compared to the the Panther A, the F version trades it for better turret armor, a rangefinder and faster reload. Last Tank Standing near Reichstag? Its only downside is the lack of people who know about it. Partially, it’s because it’s such a legendary machine and partially simply because it’s German and – for some reason – over the decades since the WW2, numerous hoaxes, legends or simply confusions sprang up about the possible Panther upgrades. These are NOT a part of the Ausf.F program, no prototypes were mostly made or tested and most of them were born of desperation. The kit one of Dragons unique offerings. Even leaves some room to spare. As a Premium? F. FHSW is just crazy fun. Each model is carved and painted to provide a unique piece of history that you’ll love. Ryefield RM5045 1/35 PANTHER Ausf.F GERMAN MEDIUM TANK Sd.kfz.171 model kit. It was introduced during the Closed Beta Test for Ground Forces before Update 1.41. but surely there must have been some kind of worry amongst the crews? That “many” would amount to the two AMX-13s pretty much. Now would be a good time to actually make a thick line between realistic, designed and proposed upgrades for the Panther. so, did panther F had increased side armor or schurzen? are included. - to keep the common Panther turret ring diameter (1650mm) WG should give the Panther II the Gun 12,8 cm KwK 44 L/55. Ausf.F Pz.Kpfw.V neuer Art Development of the Schmalturm (small turret) was underway at the end of the war with prototype turrets completed. This item is limited to 1 per household. How often you need to fire at near full rate of fire? Can we have an article about these? G prototype with a Schmallturm turret was ready. 13 periscope targetting device by Leitz was proposed, but the series vehicles were to recieve the S.F.Z.1 devices (5 prototypes were made by the end of 1944). Fly with the Panther Pack of the 13th Fighter Squadron in this wooden F-16 model. But the extra weight of the turret, 1 ton, plus the redistribution of load from the long gun to the front would make the transmission even more of a sad joke then it already was… no real top gear driving with a 8.8 L/71 thats for sure. It wasn’t an Ahnenerbe UFO with unproved tech, it was a solid project, that simply came too late. It was just a thought as far as I know. Wouldn’t schurzen help against HEAT as well despite being designed to defeat AT rifle shots? For another example, SU-100 has equally heavy gun projecting forwards from front wheel, and seems to work just fine. Once you learn how to take advantage of its speed and gun, you'll easily take out enemy targets by surprise. Furthermore, the Schmalturm was to be equipped by a stereoscopic Zeiss rangefinder (1320mm wide), but the prototypes were not finished before the war was over. It is a very impressive kit in full resin with additional etched metal parts and nice decals including stencilling. Type: Full kit. Potentially it means the KwK 44/1 was more powerful, but I think it was roughly on equal terms with KwK 42 due to other factors. These upgrades include: - an automatic loader for the KwK 42 L/70 (planned for April 1945) The turret was rotated hydraulically, allowing for full traverse in 30 seconds. The Schmalturm 605 turret, developed by the company Daimler-Benz AG, was slightly smaller than the standard Panther turret. There is just not a lot of room in the newer 8.8cm turret for a 10.5cm. It was never seriously considered. Well, it was Škoda, developing the finest tech all thru the war, something to be proud of :) At least on engineering level. medium tank Panther G-Sd.Kfz. Two turret prototypes were captured, one was taken to the USA after the war and one was taken to Great Britain, where it was used for target practice (its remains are in Bovington today). Furthermore, in January 1945, a Schmalturm for Panther with KwK 43 (88mm L/71) was proposed by Daimler Benz. would make the tank more stealthy for sure, no revving your engine up just so you can turn your turret faster. Be sure to reference text and sources by using , as well as adding them at the end of the article. -In addition to the etching sheet containing the side skirt, front fender, anti-aircraft armor plate, etc., 3D printer parts containing a fire extinguisher and cable eye are included. 75mm L/70 gun, modifications had to be made. Just when you notice that you have strong opposition it is time to retreat. Although I did have a metallurgist friend of mine speculate that the extra 5mm could be to do with the decreasing quality of German wartime steel alloys. What? Are you sure about the proposed road wheels being all-steel? 1/72 Night Fighting Panther Ausf. The turret development was then (in February 1944) moved to Daimler-Benz, where the name “Schmalturm” was invented. The Pz.Kpfw. Actually it didnt; the soviet SPG/assault guns, between their heavy frontal armour and forward slung guns, were always wearing out their front road wheels and suspension prematurely. --Etching and clear parts included. No. But by January 1945, a single Panther Ausf. This model is not designed to be used with low polygons, such as in games. It was to have a -8/+15 elevation and depression and was to be equipped with SFZ2 or SFZ3 stabilized gunsights. Problem is with WW2 slow-acting HEAT, that would need more standoff distance to really neutralize. Also with any engine figures from Germany the 900 hp of the HL234 was with NO accessory’s mounted to the engine. - 720hp Simmering Type Sla.16 diesel. https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Panther_F&oldid=96112, Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet, cupola), New turret removes the shot trap which plagued earlier models, Nigh impenetrable turret cheeks when facing from the front, 75 mm KwK 44 is an accurate and powerful gun, Explosive filler on PzGr 39 shell allows for easy one- or two-shot kills, APCR shell can allow the tank to compete with the heavier armour found in an uptier, Features excellent, although toned down mobility as well as neutral steering, Hull can become even more difficult to penetrate when angled properly, Slightly faster reload than the previous models of Panthers, Optical rangefinder, allows you to measure the range faster than the normal rangefinder and up to 2,200-2,500 m (depending on your crew qualification), Although the turret has increased armour, it remains a weak spot with basically no angling, Hull suffers similarly to turret; although good by itself, it becomes paper when facing higher tier guns, 75 mm KwK44 can become difficult to use as a sniper in an uptier. Royalty free 3D model Panther F Turret 8,8 cm KwK 43 L71 for download as max, blend, fbx, and stl on TurboSquid: 3D models for games, architecture, videos. Plus the HL234 was still in development it was competitive idea to the proposed/partly developed GT103. Despite its slower turret traverse speed and mobility over the Panther A, it receives better turret armor, a rangefinder and faster reload. This was a hybrid; a Panther F hull fitted with the earlier turret, filmed on the Wilhelmstrasse in Berlin. There however have been various other (more or less – often less – realistic) upgrade proposals for the Panther. This version had stronger front armour on its hull (80 mm), its sides (50 mm), and the front part of its roof (25 mm). Anti-AT-rifle effect of skirts is based on standoff armor separating core of APCR bullets. This was planned, but not for Ausf.F and the development was never finished. . For example, the German GT series gas turbine was also intended for a Panther, but not specifically for Panter F, it was an experimental program only and it was never meant for serial production. After all similar designs are used against RPG rounds nowadays. I am not actually sure they worked, could have been something the Germans simply tried. there seems to be a lot of confusion about the Panther and its historical properties. Sd.Kfz.171 Panther F mit Gummigedämpften Stahllaufrollen. The rest are genuine Chineese models, excepting the T-34, wich is still modified in a way. This model successfully reconstructs the unfinished Panther Ausf F according to its original design! If the map allows it and you prefer this kind of playstyle, the Panther F also excels at sniping. - 700hp Argus LD220 air-cooled diesel engine I don’t mind it would be a copy of an already existing variant. This allowed the forward armor to be reinforced up to 120 mm, at an inclination of 20°. They were needed at the front. Yet half of an entire national tree made up of copies of the T-54 is acceptable? That would be interesting. And for the breach mechanism inside the turret? Fisher Model and Pattern issued a 1/32 kit of the Grumman F9F-5 Panther as kit number #3201 in 2005. Eh, the T-54 turret sits *rather* more in the center of the hull…. Further specs are also the same. unified componants writers proclaim were to be the "Panther Ausf.F" - a cramped unproven turret and troublesome running gear, the Panther was designed to destroy medium/heavy Soviet tanks - this it eventually did with aplomb from 1944-45, the issue of a "too big turret" is a "red herring" - … The sides of the new turret had a thickness of 60 mm and an inclination of 25°, and the thickness of the gun mantlet reached 150 mm. There’s kind of *reasons* the Soviets started looking into rear-casemate designs. - Panther G - Download Free 3D model by FreeMachine (@dan11l11l) [f76129f] I should also say that the Germans knew the war was lost but on the hopes of a much longer war laid out the plans for future developments and implementation of those developments into actual production runs of future tanks. - stabilized gunsights (April 1945) I doubt it. Rye Field Model (RFM) Title: Panther Ausf.F detail set Number: RM-2008 Scale: 1:35 Type: Detail set Released: 2021 | Initial release - new tool Barcode: 4897062620705 … The distance will make your armour almost impenetrable to a lot of guns while being able to use the rangefinder, high muzzle velocity and great optics to pick off enemies. No, it was the same. I suppose that would explain why they tried to do the Schmalturm for it. Although an arty Premium would be welcome. Scale: 1:35. Škoda (Czechoslovakia) developed a new version of the KwK 42, designated KwK 44/1 – with shorter recoil mechanism, allowing the Schmalturm to have +20/-8 elevation/depression. Highly detailed plastic pieces molded in grey. Type 62 is also a copy, WZ-131 with that T VII gun. Instead of a directional machine gun, the radio operator/gunner used an MP 44 assault rifle. The Schmalturm was developed independently and was considered for both the Panther and Ausf.J Panzer IV. And all that while the whole thing weighted only a ton more than the current Panther turret. Slower turret traverse than the Panther A and G. This page was last edited on 6 March 2021, at 01:31. Instead, the distinctive Ausf F. hatch guides could be seen. Panther has 1650mm and VK3002 had even smaller (1500? The hull was only slightly modified – the hull top thickness increased to 40mm and the engine cover was 16mm thick. - stabilized gun What was described up was the historical Panther Ausf.F, the ultimate historical Panther development. A TurboPanther as a tier 8 premium would please me :) . - 900hp Maybach HL234 (August 1945) “I accidentally a tier 9 Turbopanther, is this bad?”. III Ausf. A project was launched to equip the Panther with the longer 75 mm KwK L/100. Ausf.F tanks production was planned to start gradually from April to October 1945 with possibly 50 vehicles completed in March, 150 in April, 400 in May, 520 in June, 570 in July, 610 in August, 670 in September, 730 in October and from November on, 760 vehicles per month. now a high speed AT rifle bullet would hit them and go out of balance and loose enough speed to not actually penetrate the real armor. Yes. The KwK44 is an incredibly effective gun when engaging enemy armour due to its penetration. This was not realistic, it was Spielberger’s mistake (one he later actually rectified) and Tom Jentz (who worked closely with H.Doyle) called him on that. Workbench Hobbies, sharing the art of scale modelling Here is my Dragon Panther F with the Schmalturum. We will be happy to resolve any issues you may have in a cordial and friendly … From the hull up, the F variation of the Panther is similar to previous models. Well… there was plies of engines sitting around and development plans on the books… And then French did take a number of Panthers… If you got the parts and plans for upgrades… why not? a very nice read , thank you for the article SS. The last version of Panther that went to serial production was ausf. The only alternative I could think of would be the (non-historically-accurate) 75 mm Konish gun, which has performance similar to the L/100 (except that the premium ammo is VERY expensive by comparison). But just by eyballing it might actually fit too. In January 1943, Hitler personally demanded the 75mm L/100, but nothing came of it. - and, last but not least, to make it cheaper. There were several goals for the development, as defined by Waffenprüfamt 6: - to eliminate possible shot trap under the mantlet Grumman F9F Panther model kit 1001hobbies offers a large selection of aircraft models: plastic airplane models, wooden airplane models, passenger or military aircrafts, etc. These were also tested on the Panther II G, with no sign of the normal hinge attachment bolts or cushioning wood stopper block. F and G, hulls. Having a THIRD premium tier 7 panther with the 7.5 L/70 would be ridiculous. Mobility is a big advantage and the tanker should use it to their advantage, especially when fighting higher-rank vehicles. F variant. Strangely enough though, it was proposed by Krupp and not Deimler Benz. Its almost not possible to penetrate frontplate of heavy targets and Panther II is not mobile enough to get enemies from side. Basically, the Germans developed gas turbines, that could fit into a Panther. Don’t know about armour, engine and other stuff. . About the DB turret with 88 L/71, would it be possible to mount it on the vk 30.02 DB? You can’t have Panther F today in World of Tanks, because the Panther hull on tier 7 has unhistorical armor (85mm frontal plate instead of 80mm), but you can get close by mounting the top engine (albeit incorrect designation) and Schmalturm on Panther along with the stock gun (75mm L/70): Of course, the Panther F would make a fine tier 7 premium vehicle (if it had its historical armor that is). It means that the turret can be rotated by something other then by hand cranks when at idle. Highly recommend this kit for any fan of the panther tank. A very great article :) That 88 in the last picture would seriously have some horrible depression problems :P. did you read? Most of them also had two drums (8-12 shells) loaded before going into battle. By the end of the war the Germans were pretty much out of rubber. We already have a real Panther in tier 7, the Panther M10, it is a stock panther, or at least has the stock turret and 75mm L70. Back to Panther F then: the need to upgrade the Panter goes as far back as 1943, when it was recognized that the thin sides of the Panzer IV and Panther tanks are too vulnerable to the anti-tank rifles, that were punching thru them, wounding or killing crew and destroying internal equipment. There was a plan to improve that, but in defensive war realities, where the vehicles were basically supposed to be stationed in German, it was not as bad a problem as when you used them during mobile warfare. Or simply new ammunition with improved dmg/pen over regular L/70, something along 150dmg 170pen. Depending how wide the holes were of course. I imagine it would still have a decent effect against most rifle shots (were the Soviet ATRs 7.62, 7.92, 12.7mm?) Increased armor no. GT101 produced 1150 horsepower, but at the cost of high maintenance and almost a double fuel consumption. The Ausf F's Schmalturm was to have a built-in stereoscopic rangefinder — using twin matching armored blisters, one on each turret side, much like the Americans' post-war M47 Patton tank — and lower weight than the original turrets. Nice to train crew with it and make some crew with it. nope not really, they are really thing and not of armor grade steel. The Panther has no anti-air capabilities, so it is best to find cover if there are enemy aircraft nearby that are equipped with bombs or rockets. Maybe someone mixed it up with Vereinfachter Turm (simplified turret proposal for Panzer IV)? the vk 3002 is the panther youre looking for, “As such, the project was unreasonable even by German standards.”. 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